Warning: Super long and complicated post.
As many of you know, I love being a part of the Montgomery County Parents of Multiples Club. I love love love all the wonderful people I have met and the support, advice and knowledge I have gained from so many other moms of multiples.
Every morning I get a synopsis of the "groups" that I am a part of within MCPOM and I normally cannot wait to read the posts each day when I am feeding the girls early in the morning. Some of them are funny and light-hearted, some of them are serious and looking for advice and some are just plain crazy about every day life with multiples. Everyone is usually so nice and so willing to offer advice in any way they can, and that is what is so appreciated. I find so much comfort in knowing that there are so many other moms out there going through some of the same things I am and that only moms of multiples quite understand. But also sometimes it is clear that I am very, very, very different from many of the other moms in this group.
First of all, you have to understand where Montgomery County is, for those who don't know, we are right outside of DC. Montgomery County is one of the top 2% of wealthiest counties in the nation (however that doesn't include us..haha). Median income in 2009 was just under $100,000, the average home price was just under $500,000 and this year we have the highest graduation rate in the nation! Yeah, so people here have lots of money and many aren't afraid to show it. Not to say that there aren't many people who are at middle to lower-middle class also, as in any sub-burb there are always many social if you ask the social worker in me.
So anyway, back to the MCPOM Club, many of the families in our area have nannies/night nurses and or multiple nannies, since money is not much of an issue (well it's an issue to be made, but not to be spent). I guess I see and hear about it more because many of the MCPOM families have nannies/night nurses since they have more children at one time. Not that some families who have one child don't have nannies also, but I am only speaking of what I see and most of that is families with multiples. There are so many posts on a daily basis that state: Best Night Nurse Available, Best Nanny Available....and so on.
So the other day I was reading the posts early in the morning while feeding one of the girls and I haven't been able to stop thinking about the post since then. Everyday new people keep writing responses to the original post and I do really like what I hear, but still it blows my mind. I went back and forth about writing about this and I just had to get my thoughts out. I'm not asking for anyone to agree with me but when I need to ponder over things, I tend to write. I have always been like that and so this is just me. This is my blog and these are my thoughts.
Anyway, first I must say that I understand every single family is different, with different dynamics and different issues that create challenges. Whether one child or ten children, there are many challenges throughout every age and such, so I do get that.
Let me just post exactly what this mom wrote on Monday:
My husband and I are exhausted. We have decided we need more help than what we currently have, but I'm not quite sure what that should look like and am interested in hearing what configurations of childcare and household help you've found work best for you.
Here's the story: We both work 45 hr a week jobs, have an au-pair, and have three kids, a 4 year old and 16 month twins. Our au pair works 45 hrs/wk during business hours. Our former nanny comes in to do laundry and housework twice a week during the day for 3 hours each time. Once a month, we have a housekeeper do heavy cleaning. We have no weekend help.
Our weekends are our biggest challenge. After two days of caring for the kids and spending our evenings grocery shopping and cooking for the week, we're totally spent. We feel like we have virtually no leisure time and if we do, it's because we're putting off other things that need to get done.
I'm interested in hearing from parents with similar schedules specifically about how you structure your childcare, cleaning help, etc to get it all done.
With all due respect, please don't tell me to get a different job or ignore the piles of stuff! We feel like we've already cut out that which we can ignore.
Thanks!
Speechless!!! I read this over and over again and just tried to picture the life of this family. I do not want to assume anything so I won't, but come on! You have to be kidding me!!
She has an au-pair, a former nanny who comes in for 3 hours twice a week to do laundry and house-keeping, and has a house-cleaner come once per month....AND after only TWO days of taking care of the children and going grocery shopping, they are exhausted?!? Say what? Am I reading that correctly?? You need MORE help than you currently have!?! You want to know what works best for me...uh, how about staying home and doing those things myself and enjoying my children!!!!!
One commenter posted: When are we supposed to have leisure time when we have kids?
I like that one!
Another commenter posted: We currently have a full time nanny and she does our grocery shopping and cooking for us and that has made a world of difference for our sanity. We both work full time but only have twins. :)
Gee, a full-time nanny and she does all the shopping and cooking and you ONLY have twins!
And another: I have to admit, I am kind of jealous too. We don't have the third kid, which I am sure adds extra pressure for you, but we have the two full time jobs, with only a nanny who works 42 hours a week. The rest is up to the two of us. No family nearby. Come Sept, no more nanny either. What is this thing called "leisure time?" LOL.
Sigh, if anyone can dole out some energy dust so we can get it all done, I would be eternally grateful.
Again, wow, ONLY a nanny that works 42 hours and the rest is up to you?! Geeze, how do you do it!? And come Sept. no more nanny...ah, the world is coming to an end!!
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First of all, seriously people, what happened to taking care of your own children? I get people have to work to make that $100,000 pay-check to keep up our county's income stats(sarcasm), but geeze, I just wonder about these children and what they'll think when they grow up. It makes me so sad. Will they be saying, "remember when {the nanny} took us to the pool and wasn't that fun when {she/he} would buy us ice cream...remember when we went to the zoo with {the nanny} and saw the elephants, lion and tigers....remember when {the nanny} used to read us our favorite book at bedtime and help us say our prayers...remember when {the nanny} would make us grilled cheese and tomato soup when it snowed and put extra marshmallows in our hot chocolate...remember when {the nanny} would kiss our booboo's and put princess bandaids on them...I mean aren't these the things YOU want to do with your children as THE PARENT! Do these children run to {the nanny} before they run to their own parent (?)...so sad!!!! I want my children to remember what we did for them, where we took them and what we let them experience, not what {the nanny} did. You have to spend time with your children to make those memories with them, for them to cherish forever and ever and to raise them to do those things with their children. Time goes by so fast and children grow up in the blink of our eyes and personally I don't want to miss a thing with my children.
Second of all, it just makes me so mad that people complain about them being so exhausted when they have {a nanny/MULTIPLE nannies} and people doing their laundry and cooking for them, and shopping for them, and cleaning their houses!!! I simply just do not get it and I can't help but shake my head. I do it all every single day and I am not super mom! It doesn't take a brain scientist to keep a structured household and parent a child; just love, patience and the willingness to always be there no matter what. I am sorry but it is just so sad. I feel for these many children being raised by {nannies} and I hate hearing people complain about how busy or tired they are. Give me a break!!! I do laundry every single day, fold it and put it away, I make, heat up and feed many, many bottles each day, I change diapers, I plan our meals, clip coupons and shop for our family's food, not to mention cook the food too! My husband helps out every day, he does dishes, he puts away dishes, he takes out the trash, he washes bottles, he cooks dinner, he cleans, he provides for our family, he mows our grass, he changes the dirtiest diapers, he gives baths...and we do all of this together. It's never about who does this and who does that, it's just what needs to be done to take care of our family, and we do it all just the two of us. I guess "doing it just the two of us" would freak out some people like them having multiple nannies freaks me out! We do this because this is what we wanted. We wanted a family and these are the things that go with having a family.
We didn't and don't have a "night nurse" come and care for our children at night; we get up and do it ourselves. Sometimes I am thankful I don't have a lot of money and can't afford these things because frankly that "money" would be taking away memories of raising my own children. Yes, it would be nice to sleep through the night, but when my children are grown I want to look back and cherish those times when it was just the two of us rocking together in the middle of the night, and I want to be able to give my children advice on how to raise their children, and not just say "oh well, I'm not sure, the {night nurse} or {the nanny} always took care of you!" How horrible is that!!? My needs were put second the day I become pregnant and I have plenty of time to sleep in the future. And even though my husband gets up everyday to go to work at 5am, he never complains about caring for our three infants in the middle of the night.
No one helps us daily and no one has since the day our girls came home from the NICU, and it's ok. I'm ok with it, and well, I have just had to accept that it's just me caring for them day in and day out. Yes, I am exhausted and some days I cry right along with all of the girls, it's that bad. Some days I feel like I can't go on another second, I am so over-whelmed, but I do and I will continue to do it all. For gosh sakes, sometimes I have to pee with a kid on my lap....and many days I wonder if God is testing my patience and my ability to be a good mom. But even on the worse day, I pick my head up and I thank God for the blessings of these little girls, because even on those really bad days, they are nothing compared to the bad days I had when I wasn't a mom.
I have no problem with nannies watching children as a form of day care for when parent's have to work, and if you can afford to have someone come to your home and watch your children, all the power to you (it's just not for me, and I also won't go into how their social skills might lack with that) BUT I totally understand parent's need to work and provide things for their family, especially when faced with raising multiples. Most parents these days cannot afford to stay at home with their children, but that is not what I am saying. But having your nanny do this and do that, and then someone come clean your house and make your food and shop for you...and then complain about how it isn't enough, that I don't get at all!!! Do they put toothpaste on your toothbrush too (I heard Prince Charles has someone who does that for him.....UNBELIEVABLE!!!!)?
Even if I had all the money in the world, I would still stay at home with my children and take in every moment with them, I just might have a pool in the backyard and go on nice vacations. But why do people have children if others will be raising them during the most important and influential time in their lives? I prayed and prayed for my children and they are each such a blessing that I want to cherish every single day. I love taking the girls out individually to run errands, including going to the grocery store and it is something I will continue so that they can have that one on one time with each parent. I much rather live in a house I can afford, do my own grocery shopping, cook my own nutrious meals, kiss my kid's booboos and be the one they run to when want a hug and a kiss.
I'm not saying that these parents don't want that but everyone has choices and can sacrifice certain things and for our children and in our house, our children aren't the ones who are sacrificed. They are the center of our world and always will be. They will be raised by us, kissed and hugged by us and always and for no matter what, loved by us, and never ever by {a nanny}.
Wow. I don't even know how to respond! I am not a mom of multiples, so I do not know what that is like, but I am a mom of two very young little ones. My husband works as a high school teacher and it also in the National Guard. I am a stay at home mom. Last night was the first time I have been away from my kids in months. I can not even fathom having a nanny raise my kids. This may be bitchy or crabby of me to say, but I am going to say it anyway. I f you can't handle taking care of your kids for more than two days, maybe you shouldn't have had them! Geez! I do all of the laundry, cooking, cleaning, shopping, kissing the owies, hugs, kisses, meals, etc, etc, etc, etc almost all on my own as my hubby has to be away a lot with the Guards. Yes, I am exhausted, but that is what you sign up for when you have kids! I love love love your last paragraph of this post! My little ones have no idea what a babysitter even is!
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I have been following your post for awhile, but I don't think I have ever commented! Your little ones are so precious and sweet!! You are a doing an amazing job!! God Bless!
Amen Holly, seriously.
ReplyDeleteI fight with my own parents about this - I don't feel like they play any active role in my childs life, unless I bring her to them or I make the effort and it BLOWS MY MIND how a parent or grandparent doesn't want to be a part of every single step?! what, at age 30 do you just stop wanting to be an active person in a childs life - is parenting only for the young kids full of dreams and fairytales in their 20's? When did raising children become a chore and not a way of life? And it's no f-ing wonder we have kids bringing guns to school, destroyed by drugs and making money off reality TV for getting knocked up at 16. It INFURIATES ME.
I wish to God that I didn't have to work so I could be there for every last thing for my daughter, because for one, I WANT TO BE and 2, I don't know if I will be blessed with another child. I am on the verge of a minor breakdown because she is entering 2nd grade - and there is cheerleading and gymnastics and soccer and theater and a WHOLE WORLD out there for her to learn and explore - I want to take her to the lessons, I know my child and I will know if she likes it or doesn't, I will take pride in seeing her perform and try and learn, I would be THAT mom, at every event, every lesson, every game.... but, I can't be. It kills me. And people complaining about the work it takes to be a parent - lol, I laugh using the word "work" - kills me too.
My parents divorced and I was basically raised by a Nanny. I will say, if you have a good one, they can be an INVALUABLE part of the kids life, and for those parents that put work and leisure above the kids, then I do pray to God they find a good nanny who WILL be a huge part of the kids lives, they will be better off having {the nanny} there than having a detached and preoccupied parent - I can say that from experience.
And the other thing - how is it that these nannys can do all the cooking, cleaning, taking care of kids and then go home and take care of thier OWN families and lives and THEY haven't died yet???? if your body can PRODUCE multiple children, you body sure as hell can take CARE of multiple children!!!!! (lol wow, i didn't think I would get so heated!!!! lol i think it's because i'm bitter right now that it's summer and i'm at work and i'm not at the pool with my kid lol!!!)
FYI Holly.... I commend you. You are so much the parent that I am and I am giddy inside that there are still parents that have my mentality - I was begining to believe we were a lost breed. Your children are 3 VERY lucky girls and God blessed you for a reason.
AMEN HOLLY!! I don't have kids YET but when I do the first thing I say after I say I want kids is "I want to be a stay at home mom". I know that every family can't do that (I hope that I will be able to) and kids are in daycare for periods of time until mom/dad picks them up. Once the child and parent is at home the parent should be spending time with their kids. I grew up with a SAHM and I loved that she was always there for me and home for me when I got home from school. We were able to go to parks, volunteer, she was my girl scout troop leader... my dad missed out on things b/c he had to work (but thats what he had to do). He was there with me when he could be. He umpired my softball games.
ReplyDeleteI think that it is crazy that people have to have nannies to watch their kids almost 24/7 and when thats not enough they need more help. Why have kids if you don't want to raise them? I know people that have plenty of money and they had a nanny for when the parents were at work...but when they got home the nanny went home. The rest of the time was spent with mom/dad. Once the kids got older they kept the nanny to do the housekeeping which helped to give the kids and parents time together. The nanny wasn't relied on for everything there was a good balance in the family. The kids have a great relationship with their parents and the nanny was an extra set of hands and eyes. The nanny never replaced the parents. Just because you have money doesn't mean that you can't take care of your kids. The comments that you copies that were made about the original post sound like comments from the movie "Nanny Diries". I loved and hated that movie. The parents were completly unattached from their son that was raised by the nanny.
Holly I think your doing an awesome job with your 3 girls and Lizzy I think that you are doing an awesome job with the hard balancing act of work and time with your little girl. The way people raise their kids is differnt... People that don't have a hand in raising them at all is just crazy! Thanks for posting your opinion! ~Erin
Amen! Wow. I don't even know what to say. I agree with you on everything that you said. I'm sure it is overwhelming, and I can't even imagine. But yes, why do they have children if they never want to be with them? So sad. :(
ReplyDeleteI agree wholeheartedly! Thanks for your thoughts on this. Parenthood is tiring, but there is no greater blessing in all the world. God calls us to train our children. They are OUR responsibility. Yet, so many parents would rather take the "easy route" and let someone else do the hard work. Not God's intention at all!!!
ReplyDeleteA-freakin-MEN.
ReplyDeleteAs a stay at home mom who has no help except from her husband and has never left her child for more than a couple of hours (and on like 5 different occasions in his 15 months of life), my head almost popped off reading that.
Had to break this into 2 it was so long:
ReplyDeleteI am going to deviate from the other 7 comments here and say that I disagree with your opinions. I am not a mother. I am 25 years old, and I have no intention of even getting married until I am at least 30. I'm pursuing a Ph.D. in the physical sciences and will be finished when I am 28. I hope to have between 1 and 3 children before I am 40. I'd like to present to you a different perspective on parenting, and I don't think it makes you a bad parent for choosing to stay home with your children, but I also don't think it makes parents who choose careers (choose, not out of necessity - and I disagree with Melissa that most parents would rather stay at home if they could) bad parents either.
You paint a picture that parents who both have careers (mom and dad) as well as lots of outside help are lazy. Maybe this is true for some of them, but I don't think you can make that generalization about all two-income households. Two points I would like to make: 1. I think having a career and hobbies in addition to children makes you a well-rounded parent. If that means you have to spend time away from your kids to be a better parent when you are around, it's okay. Life is about balance. My parents are in their 50's and they each both play sports on adult teams. They did this for most of my youth. This taught me about dedication and passion (who plays sports for their entire lives?) and the importance of physical activity no matter what age you are. Same with career - they each learned skills and used them to make society better as a whole. It helped define who they were. I'm sure bringing my sister and I into the world could be argued as making society better as a whole, but I think the idea of having multiple roles (ex: mom, ballerina, nurse) was a great example that I watched my parents live - not sacrifice for their children. The second point, which draws off the first, is that men unfortunately still dominate the field I work in. Men in my field regularly make more money and receive higher promotions than women. I wasn't always a die-hard feminist, but the higher my education gets, the more enraged I am that pretty much nothing has changed since the 1970s in my field in terms of sexism. I want to set an example for my children that mommies don't just have to be mommies and daddies don't just have to make paychecks. Mommy has a doctorate and she uses it and she overcomes obstacles in her job and that's something I want my kids to aspire to. Future daddy (tbd) will have to have a job too, to help define who he is - someone who achieves things and is motivated and has skills. Doesn't matter if Daddy is a doctor or an english teacher or a chef - but that's what defines Daddy before (AND WHILE) he is a Dad, and he is allowed to have "leisure" interests too - sports, musical instruments, whatever.
My mom was a nurse until my sister (5 years younger) was born. Her income during my infancy was necessary; my dad was still in graduate school (I think I came a little earlier than planned...) and wasn't making a lot of money at the time. I had babysitters during the day while they both worked. [PS - At this time, I lived in a very wealthy area of Montgomery County, we were definitely social class odd-balls.] I can remember most of them, and they were great for putting on band-aids and making my lunch (with a few exceptions...) However, they were not a replacement for my parents, who, I can assure you, were definitely exhausted after caring for geriatric patients and doing research towards a doctoral degree.
After my dad graduated and started a full career, we no longer needed my mom's income. With 2 young children, she quit her job and stayed at home for the next 7 years - until I was in 8th grade. Then, despite the fact that we still didn't need her income, she started working again. She has worked at least part-time ever since.
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ReplyDeleteThe last few years my mom was a SAHM were a huge struggle. It was clear that she was unhappy. I'm confident my mom loves her children, but devoting her entire life to us left her unbalanced. She needed an outlet and she wanted her hard work at nursing school to have meaning again. I don't think she's a bad mom for this-she's her own person, not JUST somebody's mom. It's a multi-faceted life. The quality of time we spent together improved drastically after she went back to work. She was less frustrated, more relaxed, and easier to talk to. We hardly had extra help: at 13, I was old enough to care for my sister until my mom got home (usually only 1/2 an hour after school) and my mom hired neighborhood girls with drivers' licenses to take us to practices if she wouldn't be home in time. It was actually nice to not have her implicated in all of our activities. She still came to most games and recitals, but it was always clear we did the activities because WE liked them, not because our parents' wanted us to-I think it helps develop a child's independence.
While my family didn't have much help, I had peers that had live-in au pairs that cooked and drove them to practices as well as friends' whose parents hired housekeepers. Why is this bad, again? My friend Lindsey had international au pairs, and through them her life was enriched by learning different cultures. She had several au pairs from Spain, and during that time learned how to speak Spanish. To me, that sounds like an opportunity to enrich your child's life, not give them social problems. And, who cares who does the cleaning. It doesn't really change the quality of your character if you have money to pay someone else to do it so you can devote your time to things that are more important - which includes a) your children but also b) your career and c) your leisure time. Having b) and c) can totally help your sanity and actually make you better at a). I want the quality of time spent with my kids to be more important than the quantity.
Maybe when I am a parent, I will be so overcome with love/devotion to my child(ren) that I will change my mind about how I feel. For now, I can't wait for my future child(ren) to say, "My mom is a great scientist. She showed me what I am capable of. She is independent and worked hard to get where she is in a field still dominated by men. She did all this, and still makes the best mac'n'cheese, and tucks me in every night." Sending this message to my child(ren) is more important to me than being present for every single moment. I want the pride I have in my children to be returned-I want them to be proud of their parents.
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ReplyDeleteThere is a lot of sentiment about how you "can't have it all"-family, career, social life. I think that's true and not true. You certainly can't have all 3 all the time. But you don't have to sacrifice the latter two for the first. You can be a career woman 9-5, still make your kids' school lunch in the morning, have a meaningful dinner with them every night, and be supportive of their interests. And also, you don't have to be ashamed of hiring a babysitter so you and your husband can have some social time, ex: one date night/month. You CAN have it all if you make small sacrifices in each department. And frankly, I think it makes you a more sane and balanced person. At least, it would make me one. For more on this perspective, I recommend the book "The Door in the Dream"-it's about women in the National Academy of Sciences, many of whom had families as well as extremely impressive careers and still managed to raise fine children.
On a lighter note, I do enjoy reading your blog-the girls are very cute (esp. in matching outfits) and I congratulate you on finding an organizational system that works for you and your husband. It will just not be what I choose in the future and I don't think I should be condemned as a "bad parent" for having no desire to be a SAHM.
All I can say is AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!! I couldn't agree with you more!!! Thank you for posting this.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree! It's crazy to think of someone else doing ALL the thinsg I do and LOVE. I mean of course some day's I don't LOVE the laundry and cleaning...etc,ha!, but I can't imagine someone else doing MY job and raising MY baby. I just can not imagine that!
ReplyDeleteI am SO blessed to be able to stay home with her, but to be able to do that we don't have an extravagant life but it's a REALLY good one in all the ways that matter.
I cracked up at your "peeing with one of them in your lap" I have totally done that! HA! :)
I constantly have laundry that needs tending to and my house is not ALWAYS strait but I would not trade a day for anything IN THE WORLD! :)
I didn't interpret this post you suggesting "women should all be stay at home moms and how dare you ever ask/pay anyone for anything". I perceived the couple you quoted to be a little overly self-absorbed, since you posted direct quotations. From the sound of it, they shouldn't have had kids. It sounded like their kids were just an obligation to them. Plus, they weren't very specific as to what they needed help with; I thought they had their bases covered! Hopefully that family will be able to incorporate their kids into some of their leisure activities instead of seeing their family time and leisure time as totally separate things. There should be some separation, but some overlap too!
ReplyDeleteBoth of my parents worked full-time as I was growing up. It is important to note that my mom's job (physical therapist) afforded her flexibility outside the typical 9-5. She was there during some morning/afternoons at the expense of some evenings and the occasional Saturday morning. I went to daycare and had some babysitters before I was old enough to watch my brothers, but I never felt like they were raising me. When she opened her own practice (before, she worked in someone else's private practice and some hospital work too), she called the shots on her hours. She was always home in the afternoon when we got home from school, and on the few nights that she worked, my dad was home before she left. Despite my parents' busy schedules, I didn't feel neglected, or that my parents were missing out. My parents always made quality time for us, individually, and as a family, for which I am grateful.
I am proud of my mom for owning her business and for being such a respected and well-loved figure in town for almost 20 years, but whatever she has left after work goes to our family and chores. She doesn't take time for herself, and it's sad. She doesn't read, she doesn't watch tv, she only sees movies with the family, she doesn't pamper herself, she doesn't exercise, she doesn't socialize, she isn't involved in any sort of group. The closest thing she has to a hobby is gardening, but that is a chore much of the time too!
Everyone needs to balance their family, profession, and personal interests. I know you didn't get your Master's in Social Work for nothing, and I know you'll use it in some capacity when the time is right. It's hokey, but when there's a will, there's a way, as I'm sure you know as a mother of multiples. No one necessarily signs up to have multiples, but when they're your kids, you figure out how to manage. I know you'll make time for everything that is important to you. I am amazed that you have time to update this blog so frequently!
I'd like to first say, I don't see the difference between being raised in a daycare or being raised by nannies. Both are child care and both keep the kids away from the parents 8-10 hours a day.
ReplyDeleteSecond, why do you put away laundry? If I had triplets, I'd have a clean clothes hamper (for stuff out of the dryer) and a dirty clothes hamper. I'd press any special outfits. But man.. putting away baby clothes constantly. Not my idea of essential. I know you are OCD but just a thought : )
So I know the kind of parents you are talking about. Most of the moms in your group are probably older because they waited too long to have kids and needed fertility treatments. Being older, they don't have the same kind of energy as oh say.. a 25 year old with triplets. I have lots of students raised by these parents and nannies. They are often spoiled and have a huge sense of entitlement. They are bribed for basic things (I will buy you this new really expensive thing if you wear your glasses at school.) But overall, I notice that a majority of the children are dumb as dirt. Being raised by nannies with little education creates a different kind of kid than a child being raised by a stay at home mom with a masters. Congrats on your choice, even if it is by necessity. I think you have made the right one.